July 26, 2024

Isabella Krapf interview

Isabella Krapf joins me on episode 116.
Isabella is from Vienna, Austria, where she started teaching and performing concerts in her late teens and has had a career in the harmonica ever since.
Isabella is a collector of harmonicas and puts on exhibitions. She played a part in keeping the Seydel factory in business when it was looking for new investors in the early 2000s, by ordering 1000 ‘boomerang’ harmonicas.
In 2011 Isabella was asked to visit North Korea to teach groups of music students there to play harmonica. A group later visited Austria and performed some concerts in Europe under her guidance.
Isabella also got to know Jerry Adler towards the end of his life and compiled an album for him and played in a concert with him and Howard Levy in 2006.

Links:
Website: https://www.isabellakrapf.com/

Videos:
Boomerang harmonica:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n7hfbd9BQ0

North Korean ensemble at Trossingen in 2013:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCoL33Y0-24

North Korean group playing at Bristol in 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dI7k5s0uVw

The Bossa Nova Company:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uujLkY_iCfo

Pablo Fegundas:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=792673521775393

HUK virtual workshop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1LjuOwqaic

Historical diatonic video:
https://www.facebook.com/denise.uthoff.3/videos/1020566385917951

Podcast website:
https://www.harmonicahappyhour.com

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Spotify Playlist:
Also check out the Spotify Playlist, which contains most of the songs discussed in the podcast:
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5QC6RF2VTfs4iPuasJBqwT?si=M-j3IkiISeefhR7ybm9qIQ

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01:30 - Isabella is from Vienna, Austria

01:39 - Vienna is a centre of classical music, which is what Isabella started learning first on piano

02:12 - Felt restricted by only playing classical music and wanted to branch out from that

02:40 - Received first harmonica age 8, the Hohner Educator harmonica (which is like a chromatic without a slide)

02:59 - Received a chromatic age 10 as wanted to play all of The Blue Danube waltz

03:10 - Played several instruments when young: piano, percussion, trumpet and voice, still playing these now

03:31 - Focused on the harmonica as felt was talented on it and there weren’t any other harmonica players in Vienna

04:11 - Played classical music and easy listening on the harmonica in the early years

04:35 - Was partly inspired to make her living from harmonica after school headmaster said it wasn’t possible

05:09 - Has made her living from harmonica, having a lot of harmonica students since being 19 years old (also some concertina and piano students)

05:55 - The popularity of the harmonica is the musically rich city that is Vienna comes from being very popular in years gone by

06:19 - In the 1960s there was a big competition for harmonica in Vienna, with many ensembles taking part

07:18 - Started teaching harmonica at an adult education centre and how improved as a harmonica teacher

07:49 - Played at the famous Musikverein concert hall in Vienna at age 20 which helped with her career

08:28 - Has long had a deep interest in the history of the harmonica and put on harmonica exhibitions

08:52 - Played in orchestras, with a guitarist, pianist and had a symphony written for her

09:25 - Isabella played a part in keeping the Seydel factory in business by ordering 1000 ‘boomerang’ harmonicas when Seydel were looking for new investors in 2004

11:10 - Isabella also had the idea of adding the Seydel signature onto the Boomerang harmonica: which Seydel still use on all their harmonicas today

11:24 - What is the Boomerang harmonica

12:35 - Harmonicas with lots of different shapes

13:40 - Has a great understanding of the history of the harmonica

13:51 - The beginning of the harmonica (in Europe at least) was in Vienna, with a factory there pre-dating the ones in Klingenthal and Trossingen

14:02 - Oldest chromatic harmonica that Isabella is aware of is from the 1850s and the factory also made high-end ivory harmonicas

15:05 - Austrian factory closed in 1922 to bring an end to harmonica production in the country

15:47 - Isabella also played a part in Seydel taking on the manufacture of the Renaissance harmonica from Douglas Tate

16:46 - Isabella runs harmonica exhibitions using her collection of two thousand harmonicas

17:56 - Has photographs of harmonica collection but these aren’t currently available online

19:34 - Taught a large group of North Korean music students to play harmonica, first visiting North Korea in 2011 and four times in total up to 2013

20:43 - The students hadn’t played harmonica before, with the only harmonicas available in North Korea being tremolos

21:11 - Isabella took some orchestra harmonicas on her first visit to North Korea

21:40 - All the students were musicians who played different instruments from the harmonica

22:23 - Had 120 students in North Korea

22:47 - Several of the North Korean conductors spoke German, helping Isabella to communicate with the students, with Isabella learning some Korean later

24:55 - A group of 15 students came to Vienna for one and a half years

25:56 - Attended the World Harmonica Festival at Trossingen and the female North Korean students played in the jazz category

26:15 - The variety of music available in North Korea

26:54 - The students were highly dedicated and practised hard

27:52 - The North Koreans appearance at the NHL festival in Bristol UK and other concerts in Trossingen, Vienna and Graz

29:00 - The North Korean ensemble played a composition for harmonica ensemble by Hohner published in the 60s

29:28 - Isabella is no longer involved with the North Korean students as she is busy with other ventures

30:47 - Got to know Jerry Adler well towards the end of his life, after he wrote an autobiography: “Living From Hand To Mouth”

31:54 - Spent ten days with Jerry Adler and heard lots of his stories from his time in Hollywood

32:29 - Jerry gave Isabella lots of his old records and reels and made a double CD for him

32:40 - There was a presentation for the Jerry Adler album and Isabella played with Jerry and Howard Levy at the concert in Chicago

34:08 - Jerry Adler was Larry’s younger brother, Larry taught Jerry and the two performed together

34:35 - Jerry played in lots of Hollywood movies

35:08 - Became interested in playing Bossa Nova music after a visit to Brazil following an invite from Pablo Fegundas

36:11 - Isabella founded The Bossa Company quartet last year and has enjoyed good success with them in Austria

37:33 - Approach to playing Bossa Nova on the chromatic

38:01 - All the members of the Bossa Nova group were found on Facebook

38:23 - Releasing an album with The Bossa Company in September 2024

39:35 - Runs breathing therapy workshops to help people with breathing conditions

41:21 - The benefits playing harmonica can have for people with breathing difficulties

43:25 - Two of the North Korean students won competitions at the Trossingen World Harmonica Championships

43:41 - Teaches private and group lessons

43:46 - No longer teaching at the Austrian university

44:20 - Has written articles, including for the US publication: The Harmonica Educator

44:33 - Has played in various countries including: the US, UK, Germany, Morocco, Brasil, Estonia

45:06 - 10 minute question: currently working on practising for an opera performance

45:49 - Likes to practise with backing tracks

46:36 - Explains the importance of breathing through the harmonica, rather than blow and draw, and not holding too much air in

49:47 - Plays the 14 hole Suzuki Sirius

50:18 - Plays some diatonic and ran a workshop for diatonic earlier this year

50:57 - Blues harp is a technique, not a type of harmonica

51:41 - Does some harmonica maintenance, although doesn’t enjoy it

52:29 - Isabella has created a video demonstrating approach to playing diatonics in the styles that might have been used in the past

53:40 - Plays diatonics in different tunings

54:01 - Doesn’t use overblows

54:32 - Embouchre: mainly puckers except for octaves

54:48 - Mic is Sennheiser MD421

55:11 - Uses the PA for amplification

55:45 - Effects: a little reverb sometimes, and turns up lows and down the highs

56:33 - Goes for a natural sound

56:53 - Future plans: performing on an opera (The Moon Wears A White Shirt) in Vienna with her students, The Bossa Company album release and plan to go back to Brazil

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Isabella Kraft joins me on episode 116.

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Isabella is from Vienna, Austria, where she started teaching and performing concerts in her late teens and has had a career in the harmonica ever since.

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Isabella is a collector of harmonicas and puts on exhibitions.

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She played a part in keeping the Seidel factory in business when it was looking for new investors in the early 2000s by ordering 1,000 boomerang harmonicas.

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In 2011, Isabella was asked to visit North Korea to teach groups of music students there to play harmonica.

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A group later visited Austria and performed some concerts in Europe under her guidance.

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Isabella also got to know Jerry Adler towards the end of his life and compiled an album for him and played in a concert with him and Howard Levy in 2006.

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This podcast is sponsored by Seidel Harmonicas.

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Visit the oldest harmonica factory in the world at www.seidel1847.com or on Facebook or Instagram at Seidel Harmonicas.

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Hello Isabella Krapf and welcome to the podcast.

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Hello, thanks for having me today.

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So Isabella, you're Austrian and you're living in Vienna, is that right?

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That's right, I live in the 9th district of Vienna in the street where Schubert lived.

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So, of course, Vienna's got an amazing musical history and, you know, one of the central places for classical music.

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And I think is that what you started out playing when you first started in your younger days?

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Yeah, I come from a classical household and my mother is a pianist.

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I heard all the classics like Mozart, Beethoven, Bach, Schumann.

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So that's how I grew up, basically.

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So piano was your first instrument?

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That's right.

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When I was like six years old, I learned piano for my first instrument.

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And it was just classic, classic music.

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Yeah, but I think I was reading that you felt a bit restricted from the classical side.

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You wanted to improvise more, even at a young age, did you?

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No, I played classical for a very long time and I just started in my late teenager time to listen to jazz music or music that was not restricted.

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It was basically jazz music that I listened to.

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So going back to when you started harmonica.

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I understand you got your first harmonica, which was a diatonic at the age of eight.

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Yeah, I got a Hohner Educator.

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It's not a blues harp, it's like before you played a chromatic.

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It's like a chromatic without a slide.

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So that's how I started and I wanted to play the Blue Danube Waltz, all of it.

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So my parents bought me a chromatic harmonica for my 10th birthday.

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Great, and you got started from there.

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And then you were still playing different instruments when you were young, where I think you played some percussion, trumpet, obviously the piano, still singing.

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Yeah, I had singing lessons, I had education in percussion instruments, classical percussion, marimba, timpani, that kind of things, and I played trumpet.

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A great grounding then in the old music.

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So what made you want to focus on the harmonica?

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Well, I got a harmonica when I was, like, young like maybe eight years or so from my grandmother and I always played and I thought everybody could play the harmonica and then I found out that's not so and I was very talented with the harmonica I would say but I didn't have a teacher and then like when I finished school I saw there were so many pianists and so many singers and everybody's struggling because here in Austria it's insane and so I decided to to try on the harmonica, to make a living with that.

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And were you playing classical music on the harmonica at this stage?

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Yeah, at the beginning I was playing, like, I would say classic and easy listening, like Chattanooga tutu and Strauss waltzes and some stuff that you could play at a birthday party if somebody has an 80th birthday or something.

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That's how I started.

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That's...

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And I also understand that you had a teacher who told you you couldn't make money from playing harmonica, and that gave you some extra motivation.

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Yeah, right.

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So the headmaster of our school, he asked me what I would like to do when I finished school, and I said, I don't know, maybe with music.

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And he knew I was playing harmonica, and he said, well, you cannot make money by playing harmonica.

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And then I came home and I thought, that's it, making money by playing harmonica, that's a great idea.

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He later came to my concerts and he said i always knew it

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fantastic yeah so you have managed to to make um your living out of harmonica since then yeah you've been working uh exclusively what is it is it yeah mainly all the harmonica have you been other instruments too as part of that or

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well the thing is i have a lot of harmonica students and and that was from the beginning when i started to teach when i was 19 years old right after school i had a lot of harmonica students i was studying at the adult education center and it was insane how many students I had and in between I also learned the concertina so sometimes I play concertina and have several concertina students and some piano students but mainly it's harmonica I'm just doing the other stuff for for fun

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yeah so again in such a musically rich place as Vienna you know why do you think the harmonica really grabbed people again I imagine there's lots of people playing all sorts of classical you know traditional classical Well,

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the harmonica, like in most European countries, the harmonica was a very popular instrument in the old days, like in the 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, and also in Austria.

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So I know that in the 60s we had big harmonica contests and there were like 30 trios and a lot of quartets and ensembles just with harmonica.

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And that kind of died down.

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out now it's not I mean it's not that so many people are playing harmonica and most of them are you know like a hobby player they have it at home and play now and then a little bit but the thing is that we don't have many teachers in Austria maybe like three or four in all of Austria so even if there are not so many people playing the harmonica for me I don't see it that way because everybody is coming to me So I have many students, even if there are not so many players out there.

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And so how did your harmonica career develop then?

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You know, you're talking about you started teaching a lot when you were sort of 19.

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How did it go from there?

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Well, I started at the Adult Education Centre and I was a lousy teacher at the beginning because I didn't have a teacher.

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And for me, it was totally clear how to breathe, how to play, how to make a single note.

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For me, it was never a problem.

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It It was really difficult for me to see how other people are struggling to play the harmonica and have breathing problems and all these kind of things.

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I would say the first half of the year I was a really lousy teacher.

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And after that I started to play concerts, but it was also a lot of classical concerts.

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But when I was very young, like 20 years old, I played in the Musikverein.

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That's the most famous concert hall in Austria.

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like Carnegie Hall, but it's in Vienna.

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There I played when I was like 20 years old and that was amazing to me.

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So that helped me a lot also with the rest of my career, just to play there and everybody knows you're playing there and that was very good.

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Yeah, and then it was teaching and concerts and then I had the interest also in the history and I started collecting and I was starting to have exhibitions with my instruments and my knowledge.

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So that's how it started.

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Great, yeah, we'll get into some of those topics.

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Before then, so were you playing with orchestras in these venues or in small ensembles?

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It was different stuff.

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I was playing with a guitarist, with a pianist, I was playing with orchestra and there was one piece of music, it was like a little symphony and it was written for me.

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Wow.

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with

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a string orchestra.

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So that was written for me and that was again in the Musikverein.

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So fantastic.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, you've done some, some amazing things as well.

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We'll get onto some of those.

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So you talked about being very knowledgeable about the, you know, the history of the harmonica and you've got your exhibitions and you've got a great harmonica collection.

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So we'll cover them.

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But before then, we'll talk about your involvement with the, the Seidel factory.

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So I understand that when the Seidel were, you know, the Seidel factory was struggling and almost going out of business, which was what around?

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No, it was, it was 2004.

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You, went and visited the Seidel factory, which I guess isn't that far geographically from Vienna, is it?

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Well, it's quite a drive.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So you went there and you had lots of the sort of archives, the documentation from the factory and this sort of thing, yeah?

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And so, yeah, so tell us about your involvement with the Seidel factory there when it was struggling, yeah?

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No, I had this idea to make the boomerang again, you know, the boomerang-shaped harmonica.

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And it was a limited edition, a thousand pieces, that helped Seidel to find somebody who would save them and buy them.

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I didn't buy them.

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I didn't save them.

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But I helped them to have a little time while doing the boomerang so they could find somebody who would finally.

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Some investors, yeah.

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So I was actually talking to Bertram Boettcher from Seidel the other week.

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And yeah, we were sharing this.

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So you made an order for, I think, a thousand of these boomerang harmonicas.

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also my idea to have the Seidel signature as a stamp at the back of the boomerang and that's what you have today also on the Seidel harmonicas you have the signature of Seidel at the back

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So tell us about this boomerang harmonica I'm aware of the shape of it, I've never actually played one myself and you bought a thousand of them do you still have 999 of them?

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I have

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maybe 70 left

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Great, so you've sold most of them Yeah, so if people want to get one, they can, well, I guess, Seidel will sell them and get one from you.

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So, yeah, so tell us about the boomerang then.

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Yeah, it was made for the Australian market.

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It was boomerang shaped.

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But, I mean, there were several boomerang harmonicas by Seidel.

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Not everything was boomerang shaped.

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But this is the most famous one with boomerang shape.

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And it's from the 1920s originally.

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Yeah, it was my idea to make that again to help the factory.

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There's the fact that it's boomerang.

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boomerang shapes obviously the kind of two halves of it point you know towards your face like a boomerang does that have any advantages to playing or anything anything else about it

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um I mean I don't I don't think so I mean, there were so many instruments, so many harmonicas, who had really insane shapes, like the Zeppelin harmonica, and there was a Cuban cigar harmonica, and there was a harmonica with bells and with strings and with whatever.

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I mean, the harmonica was...

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I think there's no other instrument in the world that has so many shapes like the harmonica has.

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Yeah.

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So it was more, as you say, for the Australian market, it was the kind of, you know, the shape of it was the, you know, just appeal to that market, yeah.

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There's nothing else.

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Harmonica is a great, it was always a great marketing gag with harmonicas.

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I mean, they would also make a tremolo harmonica and they would write a ragtime band on it.

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I mean, it's a tremolo harmonica, it's not really good for ragtime.

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So the boomerang harmonica, when you throw it away, does it come back?

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No.

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That's a shame.

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That would be really cool, wouldn't it?

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Never mind.

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I know.

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You can work on that in the next edition.

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I understand you've got a great knowledge of the history of the harmonica factories and Klingenthal, which is where the Seidel factory is.

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So tell us about that and your research into the history of the harmonicas.

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Yeah,

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well, the beginning of the harmonica was in Vienna because the oldest harmonica factory was in Vienna.

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It's called Wilhelm T.

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And even in Hofburg...

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We have a music collection there and there is the oldest chromatic harmonica that I know.

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It's from 1850s and that's from Wilhelm T.

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So it's a very old thing.

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And the factory building from Wilhelm T.

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is still there.

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And he was very famous for making the best harmonicas.

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So the quality was really good.

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And he was famous for making ivory harmonicas.

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So there was completely ivory.

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The comb and everything was covered.

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And it was carved with an incredible...

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So it was really for a high-class customer.

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And it was also for Franz Josef the Emperor I think he also had these harmonicas.

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And Horner sent people to Wilhelm T.

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to check out his secrets, you know.

00:15:02.673 --> 00:15:04.936
So he was really, really famous.

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And unfortunately in 1922 the factory closed down and that's it with harmonicas in Austria.

00:15:13.427 --> 00:15:14.590
Right.

00:15:14.690 --> 00:15:20.615
So, yeah, so interesting, you know, I've talked to, you know, Holner and Seidel on here about the history of weather factories.

00:15:20.634 --> 00:15:22.777
So, yeah, so it was Austria which started that.

00:15:23.357 --> 00:15:26.019
And so, again, it's, again, not a million miles away, right?

00:15:26.059 --> 00:15:29.523
So that sort of region is very rich in the harmonica history, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then came Klingenthal.

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So, and after that came Trussingen.

00:15:35.748 --> 00:15:44.655
And without the GDR, I mean, if there wouldn't have been the wall, I think we would have had another situation also with the GDR.

00:15:44.655 --> 00:15:45.384
Klingontal.

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I understand as well, as part of the Zeidel link, is that you also helped with them taking on the Renaissance harmonica with Doug Tate, handing over that.

00:15:57.235 --> 00:15:58.576
Is that something you're involved with?

00:15:58.916 --> 00:16:03.559
Yeah, Douglas Tate, he wrote me, and I went there.

00:16:03.580 --> 00:16:08.183
He was very, very sick at that time when I met him.

00:16:08.583 --> 00:16:15.730
That was the reason why he looked for somebody who would make his Renaissance harmonica in the future.

00:16:15.750 --> 00:16:25.085
So, yeah, I went there and I talked to him and then Seidel was the new maker of the Renaissance harmonica, that's right.

00:16:25.605 --> 00:16:31.095
You sort of approached Seidel, did you, with the idea of taking on the Renaissance, did you, after talking to Doug Tate?

00:16:31.736 --> 00:16:38.106
No, Doug Tate asked me if Seidel could do that and Seidel sent me there.

00:16:38.147 --> 00:16:39.429
Okay.

00:16:39.629 --> 00:16:39.710
Okay.

00:16:40.129 --> 00:16:57.404
yeah superb so yeah so again you've got you've got all this um this history of the harmonica and zeidel and um so yeah good stuff i mean so you say you have um you run exhibitions in uh in vienna there of harmonica expedition so you've got like a kind of uh you know a big harmonica collection that you built up over the years yeah

00:16:57.985 --> 00:17:00.488
yeah i have more than 2 000 harmonicas

00:17:01.107 --> 00:17:01.388
oh wow

00:17:02.068 --> 00:17:12.157
no that's not that's nothing i mean the real collectors from from the states the big ones they have like 10 000 and they they told me that Chinese are not even counting.

00:17:13.900 --> 00:17:15.261
So this is nothing.

00:17:16.383 --> 00:17:18.984
I mean, I have other things to do, and it's also a lot of money.

00:17:19.086 --> 00:17:23.210
I mean, if you're collecting everything, then it costs a lot of money.

00:17:23.711 --> 00:17:30.317
But I have enough interesting harmonicas to make little exhibitions if somebody wants to make something like that.

00:17:30.958 --> 00:17:32.160
I can provide instruments.

00:17:33.320 --> 00:17:39.227
My first harmonic exhibition was for one and a half years in Vienna in the 5th district.

00:17:40.048 --> 00:17:56.005
That had a lot of visitors because it was a very special thing and we had concerts with that and Martin Hefner would come from Trussingen and tell us about harmonica history and it was very nice.

00:17:56.577 --> 00:17:56.978
Very good.

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And do you have photographs of your collection that's available to see anywhere?

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Yeah, I had a lot of photographs on my old website.

00:18:05.326 --> 00:18:17.655
And then there were nice people who were taking these photos without telling me and would make nice music clips on YouTube without ever mentioning my name.

00:18:18.317 --> 00:18:20.699
So I was not really thrilled about that.

00:18:20.739 --> 00:18:21.819
Right.

00:18:22.420 --> 00:18:26.423
Because it's not on your current website, is it, the photos of your collection?

00:18:26.443 --> 00:18:26.544
No, no.

00:18:26.544 --> 00:18:36.761
I downsized it because, as I said, the only thing that happened was that people used my photos without ever mentioning my name.

00:18:37.963 --> 00:18:41.390
And it was a lot of megabytes that I had to pay.

00:18:41.430 --> 00:18:50.005
So I downsized and if somebody needs something, I send it to them or they can come here and look in my archive or whatever.

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00:19:34.660 --> 00:19:45.592
So another fantastic thing you've done, you've been involved in, going back to your teaching, is you've been involved with teaching some students to play harmonica from North Korea.

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So yeah, tell us about that.

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Yeah, that was in 2011.

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And I was teaching at the University of Music here in Vienna also at that time.

00:19:55.726 --> 00:20:02.992
So the North Korean embassy approached me and they told me that they wanted a teacher in North Korea actually.

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And it was clear that I would go there, but also that students would come here to Vienna in exchange also.

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So I knew it was a big project.

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I knew I had to learn the language.

00:20:15.564 --> 00:20:27.576
It was so nice just to think about that having these young people from North Korea coming here, seeing everything here, making music with me, and that was very tempting.

00:20:29.317 --> 00:20:35.044
So I went there, to North Korea, first time in the summer of 2011.

00:20:35.423 --> 00:20:37.205
Fantastic,

00:20:37.226 --> 00:20:41.269
and I believe you visited North Korea four times over a couple of years, weren't you?

00:20:41.289 --> 00:20:41.990
Yeah, that's right.

00:20:42.612 --> 00:20:47.135
So was there a tradition of learning the harmonica in North Korea, did you see?

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Was it something that was popular there?

00:20:49.578 --> 00:20:57.847
Well, in In fact, they have manufactured harmonicas in North Korea, but only tremolo ones.

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I have one at home of these.

00:21:00.951 --> 00:21:03.693
By the way, the harmonic collectors I know don't have this one.

00:21:04.515 --> 00:21:06.978
So this is one piece that I have that they don't have.

00:21:07.798 --> 00:21:18.068
But I brought with me when I came there actually the chromatic harmonicas and also the ensemble instruments like the bass and the chord harmonica for the first time.

00:21:18.088 --> 00:21:21.576
So this will be on my gravestone.

00:21:21.616 --> 00:21:24.027
She brought a chromatic harmonica to North Korea.

00:21:24.851 --> 00:21:26.478
They were playing as an ensemble, weren't they?

00:21:26.498 --> 00:21:28.666
Is that what you were teaching them to play as an ensemble?

00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:59.746
All of my students were musicians and it was a big choir there, but they were also playing accordion or string instruments or all kind of instruments, also saxophone and e-guitar and everybody was a musician there.

00:22:00.386 --> 00:22:02.648
So it was very easy to work with them.

00:22:03.209 --> 00:22:06.972
Yeah, so most of them hadn't played the harmonica before, had they not?

00:22:06.992 --> 00:22:08.634
At least, maybe only the tremolo.

00:22:09.134 --> 00:22:12.258
Yeah, they have only played North Korean tremolo harmonicas

00:22:12.538 --> 00:22:12.938
so far

00:22:13.239 --> 00:22:14.059
so that was yeah

00:22:15.922 --> 00:22:23.288
so you took all the instruments for them to play so I think you had a group of sort of 90 students you didn't take that many harmonicas for them to play did you?

00:22:24.530 --> 00:22:43.010
I had more than 90 students I had like all together it was 120 but it was over 4 wizards that I had done but it was always more than 100 when I was there every day so no we arranged them to get harmonicas from different factories.

00:22:43.510 --> 00:22:46.934
One factory was not enough for this amount of harmonicas, I have to say.

00:22:46.954 --> 00:22:55.865
And I understand the conductor over there, North Korean conductor, spoke good German, and that's how he was able to translate for you.

00:22:55.904 --> 00:22:58.268
Is that how you managed to communicate, at least for the first?

00:22:59.189 --> 00:23:07.097
A lot of conductors speak very good German because they were in university as students in Germany or Austria.

00:23:07.650 --> 00:23:13.194
So that's why I met lots of musicians and conductors who speak very good German.

00:23:14.415 --> 00:23:25.965
But at the end, I had to learn Korean because there were many situations where I was without anybody and the student was telling me something and I didn't understand anything.

00:23:26.605 --> 00:23:28.508
So I learned Korean.

00:23:29.028 --> 00:23:31.971
I wouldn't have learned Korean if there was somebody with me all the time.

00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:34.993
It's an insane language.

00:23:35.153 --> 00:23:36.575
I wouldn't, I mean, really.

00:23:37.615 --> 00:23:38.416
I'm glad it's over.

00:23:39.837 --> 00:23:44.723
But you managed to learn it well enough to communicate and well done doing that.

00:23:45.483 --> 00:23:52.392
No, I learned, first of all, I learned just how to teach because when you teach, you're always saying the same sentence, right?

00:23:52.432 --> 00:23:54.374
Yeah.

00:23:54.394 --> 00:24:08.328
So I learned like 50 sentences just I needed for teaching and then I learned how to order food and I learned how to talk about my family or what I do at home or what I have on my home bees or whatever.

00:24:08.848 --> 00:24:18.259
So I can still not talk about, I don't know, difficult topics, but I can survive there with what I can say.

00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:18.960
Yeah.

00:24:19.441 --> 00:24:19.661
Yeah.

00:24:20.221 --> 00:24:27.229
Well, I have a friend, he actually went on holiday to North Korea a few years ago, you know, and he really enjoyed it.

00:24:27.388 --> 00:24:30.792
He likes to go to these far-flung places and you probably can't get more far-flung.

00:24:31.053 --> 00:24:32.654
So yeah, no, he really loved it.

00:24:32.674 --> 00:24:36.479
I think he had to have a sort of, you know, an escort with him most of the time, but he really loved it there.

00:24:36.538 --> 00:24:40.923
So yes, I think it's maybe more accessible than some people maybe believe yeah

00:24:41.364 --> 00:24:54.438
well i had a work visa i mean i spent a lot of time there and and they didn't have somebody who was with me all the time i mean i had to talk to the to the students i mean yeah

00:24:55.098 --> 00:25:02.727
as well as you going over there then also as i think you said a group i think of 15 students came to stay with you for what like a year or so was it

00:25:03.288 --> 00:25:04.147
uh one and a half years

00:25:04.548 --> 00:25:13.537
all together fantastic yeah so and therefore you were teaching them and they were sort of you know you're practicing every day and yeah how was that

00:25:14.038 --> 00:25:59.614
so the whole thing was it was more than two years just North Korea for me I mean I was there and then I came back and they were there and they were here in Vienna they were at my apartment every day and they were in my living room they were on my computer and we practiced and we arranged stuff and I sent it over the rainbow So that's something we rearranged here in my living room and they love to play jazz.

00:25:59.746 --> 00:26:03.473
So, especially the girls, they really love to play jazz.

00:26:04.255 --> 00:26:11.329
So, we were at the World Harmonica Festival in Trostingen, and the girls were all playing in the jazz category.

00:26:11.369 --> 00:26:13.114
And they did quite well.

00:26:13.515 --> 00:26:14.876
I mean, it was really good.

00:26:15.638 --> 00:26:20.769
Yeah, so they were listening to jazz then in North Korea, they were familiar with the music and everything.

00:26:20.910 --> 00:26:20.990
Yeah.

00:26:21.218 --> 00:26:23.720
They have a lot of music in North Korea.

00:26:23.740 --> 00:26:26.682
They have the old traditional Korean songs like Arirang.

00:26:27.542 --> 00:26:33.749
They have kind of, it sounds like Russian songs, I would say, with a big choir.

00:26:34.189 --> 00:26:41.695
And also they have film music, and they have pop music, and they have rock music, and they have the Korean way, I would say.

00:26:41.736 --> 00:26:45.278
But they also know a lot of classical music.

00:26:45.338 --> 00:26:48.240
They also know some jazz tunes.

00:26:49.962 --> 00:26:51.183
They know everything.

00:26:51.183 --> 00:26:51.724
Yeah, great.

00:26:51.965 --> 00:26:52.467
And

00:26:52.567 --> 00:27:00.826
again, I was reading that, you know, apparently they were highly dedicated, they were practicing about eight hours a day and they were, you know, really dedicated to it, yeah?

00:27:01.048 --> 00:27:01.950
Yeah.

00:27:09.057 --> 00:27:12.040
coming all the time because it was too much.

00:27:13.102 --> 00:27:15.683
Yeah, it's all in your apartment as you say, yeah.

00:27:16.084 --> 00:27:16.284
Yeah.

00:27:16.884 --> 00:27:20.827
Did you manage to find a better venue to practice in or is that all you had?

00:27:21.067 --> 00:27:27.913
No, at first they were living in another house, in a house in Vienna and there they had the problems.

00:27:27.973 --> 00:27:43.151
When they were living at my place, I mean they lived in an apartment next to me and in another apartment in my house so that was not a problem but like when they played in this house house, in the garden, all the neighbours were annoyed by it.

00:27:43.811 --> 00:27:45.032
It was all day long.

00:27:45.534 --> 00:27:46.255
All day long, yeah.

00:27:46.435 --> 00:27:47.537
Great, great dedication.

00:27:47.577 --> 00:27:48.077
Good to hear.

00:27:48.318 --> 00:27:48.558
Yeah.

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:50.422
Then you saw me too, right?

00:27:50.701 --> 00:27:52.585
Yeah, and I saw you too there as well, of course.

00:27:52.685 --> 00:27:56.932
So, yeah, so I was there in Bristol at the National Harmonica League festivals.

00:28:12.642 --> 00:28:16.907
You mentioned they also went, well, they entered the competitions in Trostingen, you're saying, was that the same?

00:28:16.968 --> 00:28:18.450
And they did a concert there as well, did they?

00:28:18.851 --> 00:28:19.592
Yeah, right.

00:28:20.333 --> 00:28:23.196
And they also played a concert in Austria, in Vienna.

00:28:23.237 --> 00:28:25.219
Yeah, we played several concerts.

00:28:25.239 --> 00:28:29.265
We played in Trostingen a concert and we played in Vienna, we played in Graz.

00:28:29.826 --> 00:28:34.531
We played in whatever was possible in this time, we played concerts.

00:28:34.972 --> 00:28:35.753
Yeah, fantastic.

00:28:35.794 --> 00:28:41.301
Was it good, you know, quite easy to get the concerts, you know, that nice, interesting angle to it?

00:28:42.369 --> 00:28:45.413
Oh yeah, everybody was interested in the concerts with them.

00:28:45.833 --> 00:28:47.173
And we had a very good program.

00:28:47.193 --> 00:28:50.136
We had Austrian songs, we had jazz, we had North Korean songs.

00:28:50.836 --> 00:28:56.182
We had the songs that would be played in the country here in Austria, like polka stuff.

00:28:56.382 --> 00:28:59.964
And it was a great program that we had.

00:29:00.665 --> 00:29:10.213
Walser Amorosa, that's from the Edition Hohner, that was printed in the 1960s from Hohner for Harmonica Ensemble.

00:29:10.894 --> 00:29:14.498
And I'm sure it today nobody knows this piece.

00:29:14.939 --> 00:29:20.223
I'm sure it's not played much because you don't get the sheet music and it's not so easy to play it.

00:29:20.345 --> 00:29:21.286
It's quite virtuose.

00:29:21.986 --> 00:29:27.332
So we also did the old Hohner sheet music that we got.

00:29:27.711 --> 00:29:29.914
So what happened at the end?

00:29:30.535 --> 00:29:34.259
Have your ties with North Korea now ended or are you still in contact?

00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:46.972
Well, the thing is I worked a lot there when I was there and also if you come back, it's different to get your contacts again and to keep it up here.

00:29:46.992 --> 00:29:51.397
And also the other thing is I had a lot of work hours there.

00:29:51.698 --> 00:29:53.480
It was so many students.

00:29:54.840 --> 00:29:55.682
It was insane.

00:29:55.942 --> 00:29:57.944
And I'm getting older, you know.

00:29:57.984 --> 00:30:03.750
And also the time when they were here, I had nothing else.

00:30:04.010 --> 00:30:12.140
I was just taking care of them and showing them everything in Vienna and practicing with them every day.

00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:23.190
And so for me, it was a feeling that I had to come to an end because I have other things to do and I wanted to start other stuff.

00:30:23.289 --> 00:30:25.251
And yeah, that's the reason.

00:30:25.372 --> 00:30:27.753
So it was a great time.

00:30:27.773 --> 00:30:31.017
It was the time of my life.

00:30:31.057 --> 00:30:33.159
I did a lot for culture, did a lot for peace.

00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:35.340
These people are amazing.

00:30:35.381 --> 00:30:40.185
I'm happy for every day that we had together, but it was time to move on.

00:30:41.089 --> 00:30:42.353
Yeah, no, fantastic.

00:30:42.394 --> 00:30:42.994
Great stuff there.

00:30:43.035 --> 00:30:43.336
Well done.

00:30:43.355 --> 00:30:45.280
That's an amazing thing to have done.

00:30:46.022 --> 00:30:55.368
So another thing, picking out of interest with you, is that you became good friends with Jerry Adler, who was Larry Adler's younger brother, of course.

00:30:55.388 --> 00:30:55.548
Right,

00:30:55.829 --> 00:30:57.374
right.

00:31:08.193 --> 00:31:12.217
So did you meet him first when he was 87 years old?

00:31:12.998 --> 00:31:13.198
Right.

00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.319
So Jerry Adler wrote a book.

00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:17.001
It was his biography.

00:31:17.021 --> 00:31:19.123
It was called Living from Hand to Mouth.

00:31:19.884 --> 00:31:23.067
That came out when he was like 87 or 86.

00:31:23.948 --> 00:31:29.772
And I read the book and I wrote him an email.

00:31:30.713 --> 00:31:34.016
And then we wrote several emails and he wrote emails.

00:31:34.557 --> 00:31:36.898
And I said, I would like to meet you.

00:31:36.919 --> 00:31:40.204
And he said, And he said, yeah, sure.

00:31:41.087 --> 00:31:44.035
And the thing is, he didn't mean it.

00:31:44.075 --> 00:31:49.269
So he was very surprised when I showed up.

00:31:51.895 --> 00:31:53.800
But then on the other hand, he was very happy.

00:31:54.721 --> 00:32:00.586
I spent like 10 days with him in 2005 in Milwaukee.

00:32:01.327 --> 00:32:10.316
He told me every story from Hollywood, from his time on the cruise ships, from his brother, as he started harmonica playing.

00:32:10.375 --> 00:32:16.621
He played for me a whole Gershwin concert with a play along, just for me.

00:32:16.661 --> 00:32:20.825
And I spent every free second with him.

00:32:20.845 --> 00:32:22.486
I went shopping with him.

00:32:22.506 --> 00:32:24.508
I helped him with the groceries.

00:32:24.688 --> 00:32:29.131
So it was a once in a lifetime experience.

00:32:29.826 --> 00:32:39.493
And I took all the old reels and vinyl records that he had and tapes with me and made a double CD for him.

00:32:39.534 --> 00:32:47.761
And in 2006, we had a presentation for the CD in Chicago.

00:32:48.321 --> 00:32:52.986
So I played with him and Howard Levy was there also.

00:32:53.006 --> 00:32:53.727
He also played.

00:32:54.627 --> 00:32:57.650
And Jerry Adler read from his book.

00:32:58.810 --> 00:33:02.214
We in this business are absolutely nuts.

00:33:02.335 --> 00:33:07.299
We're nuts to be standing up here on the stage doing what we do without having egos that stretch to eternity.

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:08.000
This is true.

00:33:08.642 --> 00:33:11.284
And without this ego, of course, we wouldn't be able to do what we do.

00:33:12.065 --> 00:33:13.446
And every once in a while...

00:33:13.586 --> 00:33:17.010
And it was a really great thing, and it was basically his last concert.

00:33:17.751 --> 00:33:21.355
Great, yeah, so you played at this concert, and that's the Green Leaves of Summer song, isn't it, that

00:33:22.036 --> 00:33:22.296
you sang?

00:33:22.316 --> 00:33:27.122
Yeah, he played that with Nelson Riddle, and I played that with my quartet.

00:33:47.490 --> 00:33:52.259
It's the same arrangement like from the record, from the Nelson Riddle record.

00:33:52.381 --> 00:33:53.267
I wrote it down.

00:33:54.145 --> 00:34:06.680
And he was very happy with my recording, so I was very proud of myself that Jerry Adler liked my recording and how I play, you know.

00:34:07.161 --> 00:34:08.181
Yeah, fantastic.

00:34:08.541 --> 00:34:12.327
So Jerry Adler is obviously not as well known as Larry Adler.

00:34:12.367 --> 00:34:18.813
So they were both, obviously you started playing harmonica when very young and Larry Adler at the same time then, right?

00:34:19.137 --> 00:34:22.501
Yeah, Jerry learned it from Larry.

00:34:22.541 --> 00:34:27.244
And there was even a time when they performed together in theaters.

00:34:27.965 --> 00:34:33.690
Larry was going to London and Jerry was staying in Hollywood.

00:34:33.751 --> 00:34:34.992
He was in Hollywood, actually.

00:34:35.411 --> 00:34:37.873
And he was playing in lots of movies.

00:34:38.755 --> 00:34:43.699
You would be amazed how many movies you could hear Jerry Adler.

00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:49.103
And sometimes when I saw a movie, an old movie, I was like, oh, this is...

00:34:49.103 --> 00:34:50.184
I'm sure this is Jerry Adler.

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I know it from the sound.

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He met all these amazing Hollywood stars, and he had a very amazing life till the end, I have to say.

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We'll

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talk some more about your playing then.

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So we talked, obviously, when you were younger, you played classical, but then as you got older, well, you liked to play bossa nova.

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BOSSANOVA

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I was going to Brazil in 2019 because Pablo Fagundes invited me.

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He's one of the top Brazilian players.

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We played in several jazz clubs there.

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Pablo also has a place where you can have concerts.

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